Kindle Fire on the Amazon: How I Scored an Upgrade for (Almost) Free

kindle fire storyThe following was written by Three Thrifty Guys reader, Andrew, who had an interesting adventure with the “beloved” online retailer.

Amazon.com may be the most consumer-friendly retailer on the planet, yet they can still get it wrong more often than they get it right, something I found out when they nearly stuck me with a lifetime supply of refurbished Kindle Fires. 


Around Black Friday 2012, my mother told me she was getting my 10-year old son a Kindle Fire HD tablet for the holidays.   I’m a bit of a tech nerd and didn’t like the fact that the Kindle Fire uses a modified form of the Android Operating system, but in this instance I was willing to overlook that because the Kindle did get some excellent reviews and seemed like the perfect product to begin teaching a younger child how to use touch-screen based platforms that should dominate the next several decades of computing.   And of course, it wasn’t going to cost me a dime, so why should I care anyway?

My family used the Kindle pretty regularly until July of 2013, when the device suddenly stopped working.   I called up Amazon and they promptly sent me a new Kindle.  I sent back the dead one and went happily on my way … until around October, when the replacement Kindle started acting buggy, shutting down for no particular reason at odd times and going though cycles of acting this way for a few days, then seemingly returning to normal only to relapse several weeks later.

On Sunday, January 12, the unit died.

I called Amazon and advised them that I wasn’t interested in getting another replacement Kindle, given two dead units in two tries.  My mom had paid $179.99 for the unit and I asked if they could give me a credit for that amount.  I further pledged to use that credit and my own additional funds to purchase the new Kindle Fire HDX ($229.00 at that time), which I assumed would be a better product being all shiny and new, and I would return my dead unit as I had done back in July.   I was flatly refused and told that they would provide me with yet another Kindle Fire HD.

Let me tell you a little about me.   I don’t take “no” for an answer that much, and if I do, you’re either buying me off or hanging up on me.   I am a firm believer that if a customer service representative says “No,” what they’re actually telling you is, “I’m not authorized to make deals/decisions like that, so ask me to speak to my supervisor.”

Ten minutes later I was on the phone with a supervisor explaining my offer and how I didn’t want a replacement because we’d just do this dance again in another few months when the replacement for the replacement inevitably broke.   He advised that “Amazon’s systems” were not set up to do the type of exchange I was requesting and after debating the point with him for nearly 15 more minutes, he finally conceded that he could issue me a “promotional credit” to cover my mom’s original purchase price which I could then apply towards the purchase of a Kindle Fire HDX.  He walked me through the purchasing scripts and when I got to the checkout summary a promotional credit was listed on the order — except the amount was $60.00 and not $179.99.

At being questioned on the discrepancy, the supervisor explained that he would give me $60.00 and I’d pay the remaining balance (nearly $175.00) to which I responded, “Roll back your audio-recording.  You never specified a $60.00 credit, you told me you had agreed to my offer, and additionally, what I am supposed to do with my dead Kindle which is still under warranty?”   I then explained that what he had done was bait-and-switched me, which is a form of consumer fraud.  I was furious for my time having been wasted and proposed a new solution:   Amazon would let me keep the $60.00 to spend on anything I wanted and I’d accept their offer to replace the dead Kindle with a new Kindle as they had originally offered.   After being on the phone for nearly an hour on a Sunday, I thought it was a fair deal even if it didn’t get me the HDX that I wanted.

Once you accuse an employee of consumer fraud, the warning lights go on and most companies shift into what I like to call “appeasement mode.”

The supervisor agreed. I immediately spent my $60.00 credit on some K-cups for my wife… which, you know, you win some, you lose some, your spouse drinks the difference.

Take 1

Two days later, a package from Amazon arrived.   It was my new Kindle Fire HD to replace my dead one.   Or so I thought.

Across the top of the box, a large sticker read, “Certified Refurbished.”

I’m not that big of a snob regarding refurbished merchandise.   I own a refurbished LCD TV that has worked perfectly for seven years.   There are some products where a refurbished model is better than a new one because they’ve figured out what’s wrong with it, fixed it, and then dropped the price dramatically since the item was “used.”   However, in this instance, I was still annoyed about the whole bait-and-switch conversation and felt like Amazon was trying to balance out their $60.00 kickback by providing me with an inferior product.

Fifteen minutes later, I hung up the phone with Amazon having a new Kindle Fire being sent to my home and another $30 in promotional credit at my disposal, which I used to buy some coconut water and beef jerky.  They’re terrific together, trust me.

Take 2

The next afternoon, I received an email from Amazon indicating that my new Kindle was being shipped … to the address at the law firm where I had worked three years ago.  An address that is no longer valid because my old firm had moved from that address while I was still working there.

I called up Amazon again, spent 30 minutes on a conference call with UPS and my friendly Customer Service Representative so that UPS could intercept the package and send it to my home address.   Having accomplished that, I asked how much promotional credit they were going to give me this time.   Another $20.  YAHTZEE!!

Three days later, the Kindle arrived … at the address of my old law firm.

Take 3

I called Amazon on Monday, January 20 and got them to agree that responsibility for this Kindle would not be my problem.  They sent me another Kindle.  Since it was now Monday, January 20, they apologized that the new device wouldn’t be able to arrive until Thursday.  I didn’t ask for any promotional credit since the lady I was speaking with was all together hostile and annoyed at having to deal with either me or the situation. Maybe I should have asked to speak to her supervisor?

Take 4

Another refurbished Kindle arrived on Friday, January 24.  I was now ready to cancel my Amazon credit card and vow never to buy anything from them again.  On the inevitable phone call, I immediately demanded to speak to a supervisor because I wasn’t in the mood to go through the whole story only to have the CSR explain that they need to transfer me to a supervisor.   And yes, you can do this, although they may just send you into an endless loop of their hold music, which is a 90 second riff of a piano sonata that is played on an endless loop in Hell, which is where I was as the recording cycled again … and again … and again.

When a supervisor finally picked up after 10 minutes, I explained that I was no longer interested in dealing with their excuses on why they can’t send me a proper replacement.   At this point I was now in possession of my dead Kindle and two refurbished models still in their original shipping boxes, and someone in Somerville, NJ was enjoying a free (likely certified refurbished) Kindle.   I also explained that I’d really just like my money back because I’d rather get a proper tablet that runs the actual Android operating system and not a modified form of it that won’t require me to jump through hoops to get apps not specially made for Kindle to work on the device.

The supervisor said he understood my frustration and offered me the “exclusive opportunity” to upgrade my Kindle Fire HD to the new Kindle Fire HDX so long as I paid the difference between my model and the new model.   I was staggered.   After collecting my thoughts, I roared back, “That’s what I asked for two weeks ago!”  There was silence on the other end of the phone.  Finally, the supervisor said, in tremulous tones, “So I assume this would be ok for you?”

Ten minutes later I had purchased a new Kindle Fire HDX … for $32.  As a token of good will, they gave me another $15 of promotional credit.  The unit arrived on a Sunday, nearly two weeks to the precise minute that the original dropped dead.  In case you’re wondering, I bought a replacement filter for my ZeroWater pitcher with the $15.

Final Tally  

  • New Kindle Fire HDX (which I paid $32 out of pocket).
  • $125 of promotional credit.
  • approximately two hours of time on the phone arguing with Amazon.
  • a trip to the UPS Store to return their merchandise.
  • somewhere in New Jersey, someone received a free tablet from Amazon.
  • stress equivalent to two months having been removed from my life. 

Lessons Learned?

  1. Amazon is still by far the most customer-friendly merchant on either the internet or among brick and mortar stores.  However, my experience suggests they are at risk of becoming less customer-friendly as after nearly two decades of giving away the proverbial store (I recall contacting Amazon in the late 1990’s and saying “Can I have some promotional credit because I acknowledge you exist?”  They gave me $10), they are becoming less consumer friendly as they finally need to prove to their investors that they can consistently turn a profit before the 22nd century and the invention of Warp Drive.  A Prime (pun intended) example of this is Amazon’s recent announcement that they are considering increasing the cost of Amazon Prime by either $20 or $40.
  2. “If you wrong us, shall we not revenge?”  OK, revenge is taking it a bit too far, but if you don’t speak up and ask for something in return for perceived merchant incompetence, you won’t get anything. I know plenty of people who never learn this simple fact.   Amazon is actually the best in this department.  If they do something wrong, they acknowledge it and if you ask nicely, will usually compensate you for their mistake.   PLEASE NOTE, this is my individual experience as well as the experience of numerous people I have discussed this issue with and I am not stating that this is a written Amazon company policy.
  3. The name of the game is competition:   Amazon may have cornered the market on customer service, brand recognition and marketplace saturation; however, the time may finally be arriving to look to competitors for better prices.   Amazon in the past had aggressive price-matching programs, but many of those have dried up.  Additionally, there are many times where simply doing some comparison shopping revealed a lower price on the product I was seeking from a reputable merchant.  Amazon gets lots of kudos because as a merchant they are easy to deal with; however, the question for the average consumer may soon be:  “Is it worth it to pay additional money to buy something from Amazon.com rather than somewhere else?”  Amazon is certainly hoping so.

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15 comments

  1. JANIS NEILL says:

    I SORRY FOR YOUR PROBLEM BUT I HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS THINGS TO SAY.I COULDNT ASK FOR A BETTER BUSINESS TO DEAL WITH .

    • Andy says:

      Janis,

      Hi, I’m Andy, the author. Thanks for your note. Up until this event, I would be in total agreement with you, but lately, I’ve seen evidence that Amazon is just not as friendly as they used to be. Still a great company, but I think the pressure of having to make a profit is starting to get to them.

      THX for reading!

  2. Waka says:

    It’s wonderful that you got a great deal, but I shudder to imagine the headache you caused all the reps in the process. I came in hopes of reading of a way to score a deal, but I would not go about the way you did – especially having worked in customer service.

    “My way or the highway” mentality:
    “I don’t take “no” for an answer that much, and if I do, you’re either buying me off or hanging up on me.”

    “I purchased the product, regretted it and blamed the merchant” mentality:
    “I’m a bit of a tech nerd and didn’t like the fact that the Kindle Fire uses a modified form of the Android Operating system, but in this instance I was willing to overlook that because the Kindle did get some excellent reviews”

    Then

    “I also explained that I’d really just like my money back because I’d rather get a proper tablet that runs the actual Android operating system and not a modified form of it that won’t require me to jump through hoops to get apps not specially made for Kindle to work on the device.”

    • Lisa says:

      Waka,

      I think you may have missed the point of the article. You said, “I purchased the product, regretted it and blamed the merchant” mentality.” If you read carefully, I think his point is that if a merchant sells an inferior product that keeps breaking, the customer shouldn’t be stuck with it and should either be able to get their money back or get something else … especially when it’s under warranty.

      Also, this guy went out of his way to say how much he likes Amazon and what a great company they are, but was asserting that those days may soon be coming to an end.

    • Andy says:

      Stefanie,

      Hi, it’s Andy the author. Glad you enjoyed the article. While I’ve got no experiences with IKEA, I can tell you that I’ve hundreds of pulling out your hair moments with places over the years. I think the main point is that if you’re persistent and fair and understand the laws which exist to protect consumers, you’ll do ok in the long run.

      THX Again!

      Andy

  3. Wow. Crazy story! Even with all the Kindles, I’m sure you’d rather have your time and sanity in exchange! I’m glad Amazon *finally* came through for you. They did for me when they shipped a cat carrier to me and for some reason, UPS sent it back to Kentucky, and it was trapped in some kind of delivery loop for weeks. I was leaving Seattle and there was a hard date to that (airline tickets bought), so I couldn’t wait for the carrier to get there any time…it was 3 weeks late and it was covered by my Amazon Prime. In any case, they shipped me another carrier right away, which I did get in time, and then my friend picked up the originally shipped cat carrier from my old door stop literally the DAY AFTER I moved. I eventually got it from him when I came to visit Seattle. So maybe it’s worth you driving out to Somerville, and you can add another Kindle to the pile….

    Thanks for this story – it’s good to know how Amazon deals with things…I haven’t had issues so far – sorry to hear about your troubles!

    • Andrew Baharlias says:

      Katharina,

      Thanks for sharing your story! Good to know I’m not the only person who has had these problems.

      THX,

      Andy (author)

    • Andrew Baharlias says:

      Kristen,

      Thx so much for your kind words. Don’t sell yourself short! I hope next time you have a problem with a merchant you’ll think of my article and understand you have rights as a consumer!

      All the best …

      Andy (author)

  4. Paul says:

    It’s not just the USA where the systems can go a bit awry. I am the proud owner of a hardback, soft cover and talking book version of Tom Sawyer. All delivered separately and two of which earmarked as next Christmas presents. Thank You Amazon :)

    Paul

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